752,95 € inkl. Next, let’s look at some Zwift sessions. Wir finden es etwas verwirrend, dass bei dem billigeren Elite Suito Smart Trainer mehr Metall im Gehäuse verbaut wurde als in dem teuren Direto XR. And in this interval there were short 400w intervals built into each set, and those handled quite nicely actually for all of them. der Wahoo Kickr (21,9 kg). There’s no better test of that than 30×30 repeats (30-seconds at a high resistance, followed by 30-seconds at an easy resistance). Im Test: Elite Direto+ Rollentrainer . Here’s my results: link to dcrainmaker.com, Ray, thank you for your reply. Has their been any update from Elite about the status of their testing to see if it’s possible to update the Direto X (and Direto I hope) firmware with the new algorithm? I’ll give it another week to see what happens. You'll support the site, and get ad-free DCR! Read tons about it here. I travel a fair bit, both for work and for fun. In any case, with all the things on the table you’ve got a pile of freebie codes for various apps, including a free 30-day card for Zwift, as well as some paper manuals you’ll never read. Though, it also sounded like that last November. I have built an extensive list of my most frequently asked questions. Seriously, you don’t. Oh, and here’s the power adapter side going into the wall: On the non-sexy side of the trainer there’s the status lights. Made a couple of WO on Zwift experiencing delays with ERG mode (wrong “power smoothing”?). link to zwiftinsider.com. I plan on setting up my trainer in the cellar which gets cold in winter so I’m guessing that’s a definite “no” to a Wahoo! They can also manage the trainer and set levels in ERG-mode. Regardly, Andrea. It’s a linguistics thing actually. The entire unit only weighs 16.2kg. A bit OT but you show using the Elite Sterzo for the riser block and mention that you always use a riser. Narrator: This is the moment that AW finds out what 15% hills actually feel like Aaaand… maybe I should have read more of the comments first. Klassenprimus ist der Direto XR von Elite mit 2.300 Watt. When the trainer is unplugged, the brake is automatically set to a minimum percent gradient (say, between 0 and 1) for you to train without electricity, but you can actually choose any resistance you wish by unplugging the trainer while you’re still in the training session. In this mode, it’s just like outdoors in that you can change your gearing to make it easier or harder. Hey Ivo. I have Drivo 2 and it takes 14 seconds to ramp up or down. Said differently: Peak numbers in this competition don’t matter. But yeah, gotta add a picture of it for sure! Second option and the recommendation I suggest is to have the front wheel 1-2″ [25-50mm] higher than the rear axle. For that here’s a comparison with a Quarq DZero power meter (data set here): As you can see, they’re super close – basically identical. 1-3 Werk­ta­ge. I have the same problem, dont know why. Simply crack it open and let it search for nearby trainers: At present there aren’t any firmware updates for the Direto XR, and historically speaking we don’t see Elite do too many firmware updates. Desweiteren kann man auf der Elite Plattform virtuelle Videokurse fahren oder eigene GPS-Daten dazu verwenden um Trainingspläne und Workouts zu erstellen. Now we are almost sure it’s ready by that date. I also hear some weird sounds but at this point I don’t know if they’re from the shifting, from some other problem, or if it’s to be expected…. I’ve tried both Zwift and MyETraining, and still have not been able to calibrate either. cobblestones), Support rolldown procedure (for wheel based), Supports ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Bluetooth Smart FTMS (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Multiple Concurrent Bluetooth connections. I’ve calibrated it multiple times and it just won’t keep consistent power. Otherwise sometimes I’d accidentally grab the wrong cycling shoes for a trip or packing or such. Interaktive Rollentrainer stehen derzeit hoch im Kurs. Le vélo est très stable grâce au poids du home trainer, à la taille des trois pieds, et à la possibilité de régler la hauteur des pieds dans le cas où le plancher ne serait pas parfaitement plat. So ERG mode is key. Es wäre ideal, wenn der Elite Direto XR eine automatische Kalibrierungsfunktion wie der KICKR Core hätte, aber unsere Tests zeigen, dass er auch ohne ständige Kalibrierung zuverlässige Daten liefert. Thanks. It’s going to measure how long it takes to coast to a stop. Damit sind jetzt Steigungen von 24% realistisch simulierbar. As always for ERG mode, I used the smaller ring in the front chainring (as recommended by trainer company and app company, as it helps control flywheel speed). The reviews generally take a lot of hours to put together, so it’s a fair bit of work (and labor of love). Easy to set up and connect, great design and a smooth riding experience. Any ideas why with a similar setup (power smoothing to 2 and Zwift) the unit failed? Another problem is that there seems to be a lot of tension, getting the flywheel to start moving requires a lot of effort. The key is to partially ignore that and simply measure the axle height from the ground to the rear axle. It still seems to ramp up the resistance pretty suddenly and extremely. Pre-COVId I would bikr around 300 to 350 k per week and I can avg a bit over 30 kph over 2 hours in flattish conditions, relatively few stops and light wind. Here’s a bunch of random trip reports and daily trip-logs that I’ve put together and posted. On the other hand, you need to get a cassette with a direct-drive (although there are models on the maket like the Direto XR that come with a preassembled 11spd cassette). Insgesamt ist der Elite Direto XR ein leistungsstarker Rollentrainer und eigent sich bestens für das Indoor Training. Instead, what matters is actually a harder metric to make clear – which is the ability to simulate high grades and lower speeds (especially if you’re a heavier cyclist). 1-2″ high riser is like a 3% slope. Just asking: Is there anyone else here having updated to 073 to share some experience, whether he does or does not experience similar or same issues? Hello i just bought a Elite Direto xr. Is it a fitness level difference? Leveled on the trainer was nose down on the road. What about within the Elite product lineup? In ERG mode I see you always recommend using the smaller ring in front. Negativ ist, dass es den Elite Direto XR minderwertig erscheinen lässt. Oh, and you can sign-up for the newsletter here! But as a result, the power overshoots the target by over 100W before stabilizing to the desired watts – making the training session much harder to complete. From the picture there, I can’t get how long does it takes to ramp up the power and how big the overshoot is. They know about these trainers and preemptively increase/decrease the power even before the interval starts, to provide consistent experience for their customers. So there’s still a difference but it has reduced considerably. At the lower recovery intervals they were slightly further apart, whereas at the upper work intervals the gap was closer (about 5w on 265w). In addition to that, you can also activate via My E-Training (the first time is enough) the Power Meter Link feature, which allows you to connect the trainer to a separate power meter and use that information as the source of power data. If you wish to record your trainer’s data on your Garmin while you’re on Zwift, you need to set up your trainer as speed&cadence sensor and as power sensor on your Garmin. I had initially thought of getting the Wahoo KICKR CORE but I was feeling pretty nervous about all the problems they seem to have and then I read that Wahoo cannot guarantee the power accuracy below 15 degrees! That said, there are now direct-drive models on the market that are smaller and easier to carry around compared to where we were 3 years ago. Since then, those issues have been resolved. Setting it to 10, which I belive is max is not an option. Still, I think most people will be good with it. So what are the unknowns? the improved resistance is of zero relevance to me. However, there are a few obvious cadence spikes in there, where the green line spikes up for a second or two, to 120rpm+: Finally, let’s look at that previously mentioned Mont Ventoux session on Zwift. So here is the most up to date list of products I like and fit the bill for me and my training needs best! I’m not too bothered about if the watts are correct or not as long as they are not drastically too low . I ended up having to move it out of the way. You can set it as you like. Der Suito sieht nicht nur hochwertiger aus, er fühlt sich auch so an. Was expecting around 5Watts difference max, as Direto should be really accuratte. And if I have to adjust the shifting every time I use the trainer, I’ll probably end up getting rid of it. I’ve got the Elite Tuo out in the Cave right now, which would act the same way on SufferFest, and I’ll probably be doing a ride on Sufferfest in the coming days, so I can double-check that aspect there. For example, on responsiveness, it was taking about 3-4 seconds to go from 150w to 450w, pretty consistently. Dont know if it can calibrate through zwift? This is my first trainer, so I’m not sure what to expect to be fair. I bought the Direto XR over the Kickr Core as the core was not available and the Direto XR is the newer product. Elite this week introduces the Direto XR smart trainer as their top model indoor cycle trainer. Peter. Also included is a 30-day trial on Zwift, and the manual you won’t read: There’s a power cord, which measures 2.5 meters: Atop that there’s the front wheel block, which helps keep your front wheel straight, as well as makes the rest of the bike even in height. I run a 34 x 28 and after two switchbacks at 250+ watts @ 50 rpm up 10-13% inclines…I dialed it back to 70%. That got the ramp workout to agree for output, but I’m currently seeing the Suito track from 3-9watts high for Zwift races. I've been using it as my main trainer desk for a long time now and love it. B) Power Responsiveness: How quickly can it achieve a given set point (e.g. Alle Details im Test. Well, it’s not loud. Elite says this makes a 26% larger inertia amount: And when the cadence goes close to 0, the resistance goes up to infinity (or at least to the trainer’s maximum). Warum ich das so unumwunden sagen kann? I’ve just received a Direto XR as a warranty replacement for my Drivo II. it is a small problem that in a few case i hear from the costumers. Not sure, but pretty high. I’m coming in to explain the whole thing The Direto XR follows the same app compatibility standards as previous Elite products, and essentially follows the industry norms as you’d expect from a high-end trainer. Ausserdem kann der Elite Direto XR nun Steigungen von bis zu 24 % simulieren. they recommend you calibrate only using their App as the setting is saved in the trainer itself. Das neue, größere Schwungrad verbessert das Fahrgefühl des Elite Direto XR spürbar. Yet, despite that, this and the two other power meters are virtually glued together. If this would be true ERG mode should be impossible to use and looking at your review it is not what u have experienced. But, there are edge cases where an app won’t do that – and then you get into the pickle like noted above. Is the setting in the app wrong? I’d appreciate some feedback on this. 11spd chain will work fine with 10spd derailleur and chainrings. Léo. Which app are you using to try and pair it? Um direkt loszulegen, musst du lediglich die Beine ausklappen und das Gerät mit dem 2,5 Meter langem Stromkabel an das Stromnetz anschließen. Le Direto XR est exploitable dès la sortie du carton. I was told to put the performance up to 6 in my myETraining app from Elite. Does someone as a solution to this issue? ANT+ Speed/Cadence Profile: This broadcasts your speed and cadence as a standard ANT+ Speed/Cadence combo sensor My high front axle trick can lead to a similar shift, and works to relieve pressure on many rides I have shared this trick. Er überzeugt durch großartige technische Daten und nützlichem Zubehör, dass man bei anderen Trainern extra kaufen muss. How is the ERG mode responsiveness of this trainer? Thx a lot for your answer, but it’s odd, I am connected through ANT+ FE-C on windows, and I don’t see the wrench… According to your link I should see it both in ANT+ FE-C and bluetooth ? It felt perfectly fine climbing Mont Ventoux for nearly two hours a few weekends ago, which has a grade that fluctuates between 9% and 14% for the vast majority of it. I did a ramp test with increasing power. Oh, yeah, definitely start pedaling before the video. No you are not. Bravo on the full Elite line-up shot! Any help would be welcome; I’ve been struggling for a few days now and am on the verge of returning the bike. Also I use a 11-34 cassette on the bike. I’m in the same boat about the same two trainers. Please let me know if you sort it out. 2) wheel size : I know that this is a very tricky topic. As software for the fit file I used garmin connect. But that would just push me to getting the H3. You can also mix and match and create your own trainer comparison charts with just about any trainer on the market in the aforementioned/linked product database. Der neue Direto X ist der Nachfolger des Direto und wurde laut Elite in einigen Punkten deutlich verbessert. There the ERG mode kind of fails. The next bit is stability. So they decrease the resistance in order to keep the requested power. There have been no updates over the years to my trainer, they just release new ones and forget about older trainers. If however, it can live up to the road-feel that I saw last year at Eurobike, as well as the accuracy claims they have, it’ll be a solid budget option for those that don’t want to deal with taking off their rear wheel. I looking. Yeah, Peter from Elite pretty much outlined everything spot on. link to forum.elite-it.com – Custom enginering of owners. Zwift does artificial speed calculations. Der Elite Direto XR ist die dritte Generation der smarten Direto Trainer. Thanks Salvatore for the heads-up. Until then, whack that play button below to get the whole skinny in one tidy video: And for everything else, you can continue swiping down through piles and piles of text and photos. Der Neo 2T Smart T2875 von Tacx bringt es auf steile 25 Prozent und Wahoo bietet den Steigungssimulator Kickr Climb als Zubehör an, der interaktiv mit den Rollen wie dem KICKR SNAP17 und KICKR CORE zusammenarbeitet. But at the end of the day, you might just be wondering “What does Ray use when not testing new products?”. In fact, Elite’s really been one of the leaders for years in supporting the various standards – including FTMS. The only problem? Der kleine Bruder des Drivo ist vergleichsweise leicht und handlich, überrascht aber mit ausreichend sattem Tretgefühl und ­einer brummend sonoren Geräuschkulisse, die bei niedrigen ­Geschwindigkeiten angenehm leise ist. B) Ensure you’re using the small ring up front: This is for ERG mode specifically, shift into the small ring to get better control. But don’t hesitate to make it even better , Ray, Great answer Yup, 1″ [25mm] is about 1.5* up and 2″ [50mm] is about 3.0* up. If you set it to 10, your power data should be more stable. Anyway, after calibrating with the app again, it works better. Doch dazu später mehr. I think they mean 37 mph. But just google wheel-on vs direct-drive and you’ll find some really good content on the subject … in addition to what you can find here at dcrainmaker.com , Spend the $$ and get a Direct Drive unit. Maybe I somehow downloaded an old version from the app store and it was updated? ELITE. In any event, if you’re outside the US it’ll redirect to whatever is the closest Amazon to you. Seems a bit hit or miss between brands. As Chris noted, easily go direct-drive rather than wheel on. If so, my suggestion is to test with front axle higher. Is it possible to put a 148mm boost frame on this trainer? I’m still hoping that they will come to their senses and release an update if it’s feasible. Where it can matter though is at low-speed high wattage climbs up those 12% or beyond ascents. For chainrings, I used 36/19 and a cadence of 90. It’s still a trainer, and I’m still looking at a wall in front of me. It’s better but not actually “better.” The wattage is all over the place even though my cadence is steady along with the resistance. This is the one area I’d prefer Elite adopt what Wahoo has done with a small flexible ‘tail’ plug, that will easily detach if tripped over. And the resistance is all over the place too. And H3? So, I’ll just find the gearing that sounds clean, and do the workout in that gear. Is this possible? In the case of simulation (aka slope) mode, the Direto XR can simulate from 0% to 24% incline – way above the original Direto X at 18%, and well beyond anyone else at this price range. On the attached picture, you see the test done by a friend of mine on Kickr Core and by me on the Direto XR. I redid the test not using Zwift but using my Garmin Edge 530. Once I’m done with it, I’ll get it packaged up and back to Elite. Peter. That’s handy if you’re connecting to Zwift on an Apple TV, due to Apple TV’s two concurrent Bluetooth Smart sensor limitation (plus the Apple TV remote). Oh – and they’ve taken a page from Wahoo’s playbook this year: The Direto XR is shipping as of today. Thanks Jan. That worked for me! Then, with the money that I would save with respect to the Direto XR or the Saris H3, I could also buy a good quality front light just in case I wanted to ride outside during autumn/winter. Just enthusiasm? Received my XR today, sweet and ready to ride right out of the box. Super easy. If I connect the unit to zwift, the speed seems to be more realistic. It should work without max power smoothing. Foto zeigt das geringe Packmaß des Elite Rollentrainer Direto XR im Vergleich. I recently got the Direto XR and was wondering if there is a way to pair my Garmin HRM-Tri to Zwift. From my W10 desktop, using ANT+, no wrench. My trainer will also be used in a cool environment, so I’ll find out soon how it deals with that as well. “…Axle Compatibility: Race 130x5mm…” shouldn’t you mean “Road 130x5mm”? So wie beim wahoo kickr v5, aber der liegt ja bei über 1k€. Look at the link and you’ll see it next to the power source. That kinda makes sense because the Suito was new-new, whereas the Direto X was basically just a slightly revamped Direto. Foto zeigt das geringe Packmaß des Elite Rollentrainer Direto XR im Vergleich. Hopefully you found this review useful. Der XR ist ein Update des direktangetriebenen Smart Trainers Direto X von Elite, der auf dem Erfolg des ursprünglichen Direto aufbaut. This desk is both a knock-off of the original KICKR Desk, but yet also better than it. Rollentrainer wie der Tacx Neo 2T oder der KICKR Core fühlen sich wuchtig stabil, solide und unzerstörbar an. Dezember 2017 1. Vergleichen Hinzugefügt. In a related note, next to the fan you say they’re about $18 dollers, but they’re no where near that on Amazon at the moment. Aktuelle Info wird geladen... Elite Direto X im Test der Fachmagazine. Zwift? Peter. Create a workout with 1 minute@50W, 1m@100W, 1m@50W, 1m@200W, 1m@50W and 1m@300W and you can see how slow the ramp up/down is and how much does it overshoot. That wind resistance causes a rearward push against our torso in particular, and I suspect leads to a related weight distribution shift. And being awesome is what it’s all about! For me I think the key for calibrate (through zwift) was to cycle faster than the speed Zwift suggested. And finally, here’s a handy list of trainer accessories that most folks getting a smart trainer for the first time might not have already: There's no better bang for your buck in getting Zwift (or FulGaz/etc) on your big screen TV than Apple TV - it's the primary way I Zwift. Hi, got the same problem on Zwift for the calibration of the trainer. Wish them (Elite) good luck as they need to improve this. Elite Direto XR or Wahoo KICKR V5, which is better? Bis anhin konnte der Vorgänger bis zu 18% Steigung simulieren. With the cadence sensor they can offer pedaling anlysis, why not include it with the top of the range trainer… pedaling analysis out of the box would give them a differentiator. The presumption is a bike that you are comfortable with and have no problems while riding outside, and then taking it inside. Ciao Bedeutet, was wir auf dem Bildschirm sehen, wird vom Trainer fast in Echtzeit umgesetzt. Plan on using it mainly on Zwift and TR. Die angezeigten Preise beinhalten Rabatte, die durch die Nutzung der Gutschein-Codes auf den Seiten unserer Partner voraussichtlich realisiert werden können. It is 15watts difference, if I go higer like 350w, then direto shows 330watss. Er ist günstiger als seine direkten Mitbewerber. Never mind, I just found the relevant section in the article. I’m still thinking of getting a direct drive trainer as I’ve had a Kickr2 before and tried a few others & they must have improved since 2016. Before that, remember to enter as tire size on your Garmin the result of your wheel circumference divided by 12.1. Elite Direto X. Sorry if I get excited about these things – but I’ve unboxed a lot of trainers over the years, and manufacturers come up with some pretty “special” ways of getting trainers out of boxes. Keep in mind that TrainerRoad anticipates this delay and starts ramping up(down) the power before the interval starts. No worries, not a normal person problem. Lowering the trainer setpoint does not diminish the hills but essentially lowers the speed and gives more gearing options. Direktes Feedback der Widerstandseinheit. But in doing so, this more powerful Direto kills off the Drivo series trainers from Elite, which were Elite’s prior top-dog trainers. ELITE: Thanks for the interest. That gets you an ad-free DCR, access to the DCR Quarantine Corner video series packed with behind the scenes tidbits...and it also makes you awesome. Prêt à l’emploi. Pedal Analysis is an in-app purchase from the myETraining app. – If it wasn’t, then the darn option wouldn’t literally be labeled ‘Trainer Difficulty Level’ Elite Direto XR Smart Trainer: Details // Ride Review // Lama Lab Test Elite this week introduces the Direto XR smart trainer as their top model indoor cycle trainer. Based on my testing, even a small amount can lead to improved comfort while seated. And those that do really want it, probably already have a cadence sensor floating around. I mean $50 US negligible. Yes, the resistance did increase, but your speed did not. Is that bearable for an apartment or should I go for the Core? Will the derailleur be all mess up with the new cassette ? Any thoughts on what could be wrong? You probably stumbled upon here looking for a review of a sports gadget. Das ist ein akzeptabler Preis. It is unusable with ERG. A second question right now I dig into the nuances of these both within the power accuracy section. Want to compare the features of each product, down to the nitty-gritty? After setup and the normal spin-down calibration, the Suito was measuring about 15-20watts below the Assioma pedals at my typical race levels (250watts/Zwift B group). 799,- € OREKA TRAINING O5 Direktantriebstrainer. I don’t even mean in ERG mode either. So ist die maximale Wattzahl neu bei 2300 statt wie vorher 2100. When calibrating the Direto XR on Zwift, did you find it was a “5-step” process instead of 3 (as it was with my Kickr Snap)? Though I know they likely won’t for reasons that you outlined. Correct, it’s no longer being made going forward – the XR is now considered the top dog by Elite. I take things to a whole new level of interactive depth! But they said they don’t have such feature and don’t plan to implement it at the moment. Keine Schnellspanner an den klappbaren Beinen. I think that the best choice would be the Kickr Core since I am used to a very very basic trainer (those cheap 80€ trainers you can buy on Amazon). Level axles on that setup may result in overloading on the hands and arms. Direto X Moment of Inertia = 15800 kgxmm2 A 10% grade “feels” like 5% because it slows one down via lower wattage for a given gear. Narrator: Now we watch as AW change the difficulty setting For example, one thing I noted that’s important in my review is putting your front chainring into the small ring (as every ERG app and trainer company recommends). Now there is more to the story – while the Suito was in transit, I snagged a rare craigslist offer for a pair of Favero Assioma pedals. I’d rather the darn trainer be accurate to begin with. Okay. . Even the Direto I is very quiet on the climbs. (Note: All of the charts in these accuracy sections were created using the DCR Analyzer tool. Note that none of my other workouts had cadence drops in them, so whatever was unique about this workout or gearing/resistance combination was more challenging.